Interview by Jacob Malewitz
Writer A Writer’s Eye, A Reader’s Eye, A Comic Eye
”Goblin Quest” is one of those humorous books that keeps on giving, playing on the typical tropes of fantasy, and adding in enough serious points to make it a compelling read. In this interview “Writers of the Future” winner Jim C, Hines talks about his book and his views on fantasy in general.
Q: Why did you decide to make your protagonist Jig more of a lowly figure - running away from battles, etc. - instead of a typical hero who chooses right over wrong?
A: It's not that Jig chooses wrong over right; goblins just have a different sense of right and wrong than we do. I have a lot of respect for them, actually. They're aware of their role in the grand scheme of things. They're at the bottom of the monster food chain, and they understand that every knight, wizard, elf, and barbarian is going to kill some goblins on their way to bigger things.
So they do what they have to do in order to survive. If that means stabbing your companion in the back so the "heroes" stumble over his body, giving you time to escape, then so be it. There's a sense of honesty to the goblins that I like. Sure, they'll kill you and eat you if they get the chance, but they're very up-front about it. Goblin politics are much more straightforward than our own.
Jig is exceptionally clever, for a goblin. He's a complete coward, too. That combination is a great deal of fun to write. Everything he does is driven by the urge to survive. But in order to survive, he basically has to help the heroes get through their stupid little quest. Or kill them all in their sleep. Whatever's easiest.
Q: Your dialogue seems to slip off the tongues of the characters; it's real, and seems to fit the characters of “Goblin Quest.” How do you approach dialogue in fantasy?
A: For the most part, the characters' voices come from their personalities. The princes are stilted and stuck-up, and their dialogue reflects that. Jig is constantly scared, which means he's usually trying not to talk, because he doesn't want to draw attention to himself. But when he does, he tends to blurt out more than he should.
Dialogue can be tricky. It has to sound natural, but if you wrote dialogue the way people actually talked, it would be full of interruptions and "um's" and long-winded, confusing sentences that jump all over the place until people are completely confused. Or maybe it's just me who talks that way.
Q: Obviously you meant this novel to have a humorous side. Do you think some fantasy takes itself too seriously?
A: I think we all take ourselves too seriously sometimes, myself included. Life can get pretty stressful, and it's easy to overreact to the little things. No matter how stressed I might be feeling, the world really isn't going to end if I'm a minute late to the movies and I miss the first preview.
Of course, with fantasy, you're often dealing with the literal end of the world. Dark overlords and black magic and an eternity of evil should our unlikely-and-reluctant-but-still-feisty-and-destined-for-greatness hero fail in his quest. But isn't that when we're most in need of a little laughter?
Q: How much planning was involved before you actually wrote “Goblin Quest”? Was it in your mind for years? Or was it a sudden inclination that created itself?
“Goblin Quest” is the most spontaneous book I've ever written. I had just moved back to Michigan from Nevada, so I was unemployed at the time. I was reading another book from the monsters' point of view, and I hated it. I kept thinking about how I would have written a completely different story. Eventually, I got so frustrated that I did exactly that.
Six weeks later, the book was done.
These days, I have a job and a family, and it takes me closer to nine or ten months to write a novel. But it's fun to be able to say I wrote a book in six weeks.
Q: How did you come up with Jig's pet, the spider Smudge?
A: Smudge is one of my favorite characters ever. Personally, spiders give me the shivers. But I really wanted to challenge myself to write a spider that people would love. And how can you not love a big, fuzzy spider who sets things on fire? The more I wrote about Smudge, the more his personality developed, until he started to turn into a bit of a scene-stealer. If I'm not careful, he's going to want his own book soon.
Q: Your prose is very tight; you rarely wander. Did you leave anything on the cutting room floor?
A: All sorts of things! I just turned in the manuscript for “Goblin War.” Over the course of revisions, I cut out several secondary characters, a magic cloak, an entire town, and a walking tree, among other things. (The tree went back in to the final draft, because he was too much fun.)
My first drafts tend to be pretty messy. I start with an outline, but I usually meander from that outline as I get a better sense of the story. I'll try new things, then discard the ones that don't work. I even write scenes where my characters yell at me for messing with the plot. Jig in particular spends a lot of time in first drafts muttering things like, "Stupid author. Can't you write a simple fight scene without forgetting where everyone's standing?"
Once that draft is done, I usually rewrite at least once from scratch, eliminating things that don't work, smoothing out the rough spots, and hammering everything into shape. There have been a number of scenes I've really liked, but if they don't contribute to the story, they get chopped.
Q: What scene did you enjoy writing the most (without giving anything major away)?
A: You know the scene near the end, where Jig is just about to [cut for spoilers], and then Smudge [cut for spoilers], so Jig kicks [cut for spoilers] right in the [cut for spoilers]? That was a blast to write!
Q: In chapter 7, at the point the adventurers are trying to pick a lock, you seem to show an understanding of suspense. How did you mingle serious things like this with comedic elements?
A: One of the most important things about writing a story is that your readers have to care about your characters. Humor is one way to do that. Early on, Jig has some troubles with his pet fire-spider Smudge. A number of people have told me that Jig's furious whispers to Smudge are one of the funnier parts of the book. But at the same time, we're getting a sense of the deeper relationship there, and we also sympathize with poor Jig, because most of us have dealt with unruly pets at one time or another.
So when Jig or Smudge are in danger, we care about them, and we're more invested in learning what happens.
Q: “Goblin Quest” doesn't branch of into dozens of narratives, though you have a sequel to Goblin Quest. What is your opinion on never-ending storylines by writers like Robert Jordan?
I try to write every book with the assumption that I could turn in the manuscript, walk out the door, and be squashed by a runaway cement truck. Obviously I hope that won't happen, but if it does, I don't want my readers cursing my name for leaving things unfinished. I've written three goblin books, and someday I may do more, but I'm not going to leave people hanging if I can avoid it.
Q: You mentioned not being a writer full-time. What other work do you do? Is anything as fulfilling, or rewarding, as writing?
I'm a state employee. Sadly, writing doesn't pay well enough for me to make a living at it. Not yet, at least. I'm also married with two young children, which means I need benefits -- another thing you don't get as a writer.
The state job isn't as fulfilling as the writing, but it's not a bad job. I'm able to write during my lunch break, and my coworkers are good people. Most of them actually bought copies of the first book, and they've been very excited about “GOBLIN HERO” coming out.
Q: You won the “Writers of the Future” award. Can you give readers a little background on the story that won it? Any advice on that particular market?
“Writers of the Future” is an annual contest for new science fiction and fantasy authors. There's no entry fee, and winners get some nice prize money, in addition to being paid for their story's inclusion in the annual anthology. All of the winners are also flown out to a week-long writing workshop with some of the bigger names in the field. So personally, I think it's a great contest, and I'm quite happy to have been a part of it.
My story was called "Blade of the Bunny," and was in many ways a foreshadowing of my goblin books. It was humorous sword and sorcery, and I had a lot of fun writing it.
In terms of advice, I'd say write the best story you can, and submit one every quarter. You can enter every three months, so the contest provides a nice deadline to motivate new writers. I've talked to some of the judges, and there's no real preference in terms of genre. The year I won, the anthology included a wide variety of stories, including horror, a SF piece about cloning, a serious fantasy piece, a little league vampire story, and of course my own.
Q: You published a few articles on writing, including on “Writing-World” and “By-Line.” What's your approach to pieces intended for writers?
There's a strong "Pay it forward" tradition in the science fiction/fantasy field. A number of writers gave me a lot of good advice when I was starting out . . . heck, there are writers who are still holding my hand and helping me out. So when I learn something useful, I try to share it. Something that means posting an insight on my LiveJournal. Other times it means a full-fledged article that will get out in front of a wider audience.
Mostly, my approach is to be honest and up front. "I'm not an expert, but I've been doing this for 12 years now, and here are some things I've learned." Hopefully, they'll be helpful for someone out there.
Q: What are your plans after your Goblin novels?
At the moment, the third goblin book is turned in and I'm waiting for revision requests from my editor. I'm planning to leave Jig and his fellow goblins alone for a while, in part because I don't want the series to get stale or repetitive. DAW (my publisher) has purchased a fourth book from me called “THE STEPSISTER SCHEME.” It's basically a cross between fairy tale princesses and Charlie's Angels. I'm hoping to do more in that series, if all goes well.
